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Old 04-06-2009, 10:41 AM   #1
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Figured this place could use a SW thread.
They always seem to lead to some fun discussion on other forums, so why not here?

Spaghetti Western, also known in some countries in mainland Europe as the Italo-Western, is a nickname for a broad sub-genre of Western film that emerged in the mid-1960s, so named because most were produced and directed by Italians, usually in coproduction with a Spanish partner.

The typical team was made up of an Italian director, italo-Spanish technical staff and a cast of Italian and Spanish actors, sometimes a falling Hollywood star and sometimes a rising one like the young Clint Eastwood in many of Sergio Leone's films. The films were primarily shot in the Andalusia region of Spain — in particular the Tabernas Desert of Almería — or Sardinia, because they resemble the American Southwest. Because of the desert setting and the readily available southern Spanish extras, a usual theme in Spaghetti Westerns is the Mexican Revolution, Mexican bandits, and the border region shared by Mexico and the U.S..

Originally, Spaghetti Westerns had in common the Italian language, low budgets, and a recognizable highly fluid, violent, and minimalist cinematography that eschewed (even "demythologized") many of the conventions of earlier Westerns. This was partly intentional and partly the result of the work being done in a different cultural background with limited funds. The term was originally used disparagingly, but by the 1980s many of these films came to be held in high regard, particularly because of influence they had on other Westerns.
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To kick things off, I'll post my "Top 30" or so.

"Top ___" lists are always a sure fire way to get things rolling.

Technically this is more of a favorite to least list, but whatever.

FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE
TGTB&TU
DJANGO
COMPANEROS
THE GREAT SILENCE
FISTFUL OF DOLLARS
VIVA DJANGO (DJANGO PREPARE A COFFIN)
THE MERCENARY
SABATA
RETURN OF SABATA
DJANGO KILL...
FORGOTTEN PISTOLERO
KEOMA
ADIOS SABATA aka INDIO BLACK
DJANGO IL BASTARDO aka THE STRANGER'S GUNDOWN
TEXAS ADIOS
DEATH RIDES A HORSE (I'm about due to rewatch this one)
OUATITW
THE UNHOLY FOUR
THE BIG GUNDOWN (could probably use a rewatch of this too)
A BULLET FOR THE GENERAL
FIVE MAN ARMY
VENGEANCE (I really need a rewatch to know where to properly place this)
A STRANGER IN TOWN/THE STRANGER RETURNS
A BULLET FOR SANDOVAL
FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE
ANY GUN CAN PLAY (aka GO KILL & COME BACK)
MY NAME IS NOBODY
DUCK YOU SUCKER
NAVAJO JOE
HATE THY NEIGHBOR
BOOT HILL (might actually be better-my dvd is shit)
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I grew up watching these when I was younger and I always found some of the dubbing funny and I would make fun of my Dad for watching them. But overtime when I hit around 11-13 I really started to appreciate these movies.

Here are a few of my personal favs.

C'era una volta il West (Once Upon A Time In The West)
Duck, You Sucker
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Django
For a Few Dollars More
A Fistful of Dollars
Grande silenzio, Il (The Great Silence) ... the snow in this movie is awesome for some reason

Sergio Corbucci should get more credit imo

BTW Technically what was the "first SW" ?
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BTW Technically what was the "first SW" ?
"Ironically enough, the movie that qualifies as the very first Spaghetti Western, The Savage Guns / Tierra brutal (1961), showed no Italian involvement at all, being a British-Spanish coproduction, but it was shot in Almería and featured the very heterogeneous cast that later became typical of any film of the genre (in this case combining ex-Hollywood US actors Richard Basehart and Alex Nicol with the Spanish folclóricas Paquita Rico and María Granada); the whole being directed by an English specialist in horror B movies, Michael Carreras."
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So the 1st SW was actually by an ex Hammer Films guy!
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"Ironically enough, the movie that qualifies as the very first Spaghetti Western, The Savage Guns / Tierra brutal (1961), showed no Italian involvement at all, being a British-Spanish coproduction, but it was shot in Almería and featured the very heterogeneous cast that later became typical of any film of the genre (in this case combining ex-Hollywood US actors Richard Basehart and Alex Nicol with the Spanish folclóricas Paquita Rico and María Granada); the whole being directed by an English specialist in horror B movies, Michael Carreras."
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My knowledge of the genre does not extend farther than Leone's Trilogy, Django, and The Great Silence (thanks to depeche in the AGD). I've loved all those movies though, and I enjoy westerns in general quite a bit. I'd really like to explore this genre more. Thanks for the list there superguy.
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Here's my ranked list so far.

For a Few Dollars More
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
The Great Silence
Once Upon a Time in the West
Django
Companeros
Fistful of Dollars
Keoma
Django, Kill... If You Live, Shoot!
Texas, Adios
Navajo Joe

I keep forgetting to order the Sabata trilogy - I think I may do that now.

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If every single genre and sub genre of film was to be wiped from the earth and I could only save one, Italian Westerns would be the movies I'd save. Sheer greatness.

I'll say more later.
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FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE
TGTB&TU
DJANGO
COMPANEROS
THE GREAT SILENCE
FISTFUL OF DOLLARS
VIVA DJANGO (DJANGO PREPARE A COFFIN)
THE MERCENARY
SABATA
RETURN OF SABATA
DJANGO KILL...
FORGOTTEN PISTOLERO
KEOMA
ADIOS SABATA aka INDIO BLACK
THE DIRTY OUTLAWS
DJANGO IL BASTARDO aka THE STRANGER'S GUNDOWN
TEXAS ADIOS
DEATH RIDES A HORSE (I'm about due to rewatch this one)
OUATITW
THE UNHOLY FOUR
THE BIG GUNDOWN (could probably use a rewatch of this too)
A BULLET FOR THE GENERAL
FIVE MAN ARMY
VENGEANCE (I really need a rewatch to know where to properly place this)
A STRANGER IN TOWN/THE STRANGER RETURNS
DEAF SMITH & JOHNNY EARS
A BULLET FOR SANDOVAL
FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE
ANY GUN CAN PLAY (aka GO KILL & COME BACK)
MY NAME IS NOBODY
DUCK YOU SUCKER
NAVAJO JOE
HATE THY NEIGHBOR
BOOT HILL (might actually be better-my dvd is shit)
THE DIRTY OUTLAWS & DEAF SMITH & JOHNNY EARS have been added.
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FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE
TGTB&TU
DJANGO
COMPANEROS
THE GREAT SILENCE
FISTFUL OF DOLLARS
VIVA DJANGO (DJANGO PREPARE A COFFIN)
THE MERCENARY
SABATA
RETURN OF SABATA
DJANGO KILL...
FORGOTTEN PISTOLERO
KEOMA
ADIOS SABATA aka INDIO BLACK
THE DIRTY OUTLAWS
MATALO!
DJANGO IL BASTARDO aka THE STRANGER'S GUNDOWN
TEXAS ADIOS
DEATH RIDES A HORSE
OUATITW
THE UNHOLY FOUR
THE BIG GUNDOWN
A BULLET FOR THE GENERAL
FIVE MAN ARMY
VENGEANCE
A STRANGER IN TOWN/THE STRANGER RETURNS
DEAF SMITH & JOHNNY EARS
A BULLET FOR SANDOVAL
FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE
ANY GUN CAN PLAY (aka GO KILL & COME BACK)
DJANGO, THE LAST KILLER
MY NAME IS NOBODY
NAVAJO JOE
DUCK YOU SUCKER
HATE THY NEIGHBOR
BOOT HILL
Added a couple recent watches to the list.

Both were pretty good in their own ways.

MATALO! is the strangest sw I've seen yet. Very psychedelic, with fuzzy rock music and lots of weird camera angles, tricks & shots.

Very eerie tone and loads of sexual undertones (but no nudity or sex).

Standard sw plot jacked full of late 60s-early 70's avante gard direction.

Bandits hole up in a ghost town to stael an Army payroll wagon. A man & woman arrive to escape from the desert heat and are taken captive by the gang. Also nearby is an old woman, the last remaining resident of the now dead town.

I've heard it described as "Leone on mescaline" and that pretty much sums it up.

If you dig your sw's on the weird side ala DJANGO KILL, (and to lesser degrees, meaning MATALO! is much weirder) FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE & KEOMA, you should definitely add this to your collection. The weird style here out does them all.

If you likes 'em traditional, stay far the fuck away.

DJANGO THE LAST KILLER has George (ANTHROPOPHAGUS) Eastman playing a peace loving Mexican peasant who after accidentally saving an aging, soon to retire gunfighter named Django gets him to teach him how to become a gunfighter so Eastman can get revenge.

Starts a little slow, but gets pretty good with the scenes of Django training Eastman and pretty much from there on out. Even if the ending can be seen coming a mile away.
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